Interview with Lyle Blackburn
by KBhunter
1) Gigantor;
Hey Lyle, I
was reading your excellent blog and was surprised by the number of bigfoot
related movies I never knew were out there. It seems that most are in the
horror category, which prompts my questions.
· Do you think the on-screen bigfoot resembles the
real animal (if it exists).
Lyle: I think in terms of
physical description, the creatures of the movies generally resemble what
people describe in real life. Of course
they often exaggerate some aspects, but overall it’s basically a large, bipedal
ape with varying degrees of human traits.
In terms of attitude and
demeanor, however, the movies typically stray from typical eyewitness
encounters by making the creatures far more aggressive and dangerous. Whereas the majority of actual eyewitness
accounts describe a more reclusive animal that is there one second and gone the
next, the horror movies usually involve a pissed off Bigfoot ripping people to
shreds. There have been instances where
real-life encounters suggest the creatures can be aggressive (a prime example
being the “Ford attack” of 1971 which was made famous by The Legend of Boggy
Creek movie – and documented in my book, The Beast of Boggy Creek), but these
aggressive incidents are far less frequent than the typical brief sighting, as
I’m sure you know. It’s only natural
that the horror movies play up this angle though, since entertainment and
scares are their goal.
· Do you think bigfoot in movies advances the quest
for discovery or does it hinder it?
Lyle: That’s a good question. I think there’s two ways we can look at
it. On one hand, we could say that movies
which play up the sensational aspects of Bigfoot and make the creature into
something of a pop-culture icon are hindering the possibility that mainstream
science will embrace the subject. (This
would apply to beef jerky commercials as well.)
But on the other hand, if someone were to bring forth some piece of
irrefutable evidence – an actual body, a finger, a chunk of hair, skin, etc. –
then it doesn’t matter how many Bigfoot movies have been made. At that point the reality would eclipse the entertainment
version and scientists would be all over it (and eating their words, perhaps).
2) WVFooter;
· Have you had any type of encounter that makes you a knower that Bigfoot
exists, and if so, could you share your experience?
Lyle; I’ve never had a
visual encounter. It’s certainly not
from lack of trying or from not being in areas that could potentially yield a
sighting, so perhaps it’s just not been my lucky day yet. My father is an avid hunter, so I grew up
hunting with him all throughout Texas. I
also camped and visited many areas such as Arkansas and East Texas throughout
my childhood, so I’ve definitely been in many areas over the years where
sightings were reported. And, of course,
as an adult I’ve gone out in many states for the purpose of Bigfoot investigation. I’ve heard a few weird things, but I’ve never
seen anything that I would definitively claim to be sighting of an unknown
creature.
· In your travels, where is the most active and
rewarding, (Regarding Actual visual or other evidence obtained), place that you
have ever been?
Lyle; The most promising area I’ve
experienced would probably be southern Arkansas. Specifically in the Sulphur River Bottoms
where I’ve gone many times, there’s been some excellent footprint finds, and I
myself have heard a strange howl that I cannot explain (see more below). As well, I’ve interviewed numerous witnesses
over the years that I felt had legitimate sightings in the area.
3) Kbhunter;
· Exactly what made you decide to get involved in
Cryptids and the paranormal?
Lyle; Ever since I was young, I was
fascinated by the subject of unexplained creatures such as Bigfoot, Yeti, and Loch
Ness Monster. I think it was partly
because I liked the subject of “monsters,” but also because I had a love for
the outdoors. Since these creatures were
reportedly seen in the woods, mountains, or lakes, it sort of combined my
fascination for the unknown and my passion for getting out into nature. Of course seeing the PG-Film on television
and seeing The Legend of Boggy Creek movie when I was a kid helped fuel my
interest. As an adult I have a much more
scientific and rational approach to these creatures – which are obviously not
“monsters” in the implied sense of the word – but there’s still plenty of that inner
child-like wonder that rivets me to the subject.
· What do you think that Bigfoot or Sasquatch really
is?
Lyle; It’s a tough question to answer
without having seen one myself or having examined a body. So simply based my research and countless
interviews I’ve done with people, I believe they are flesh and blood beings. Perhaps a relic hominid or some species of ape
with a higher level of intelligence than other animals. However improbable, they have managed to
elude capture for all these years due to their exceptional expertise at evasion
and survival.
4) Rockape;
· I'm from North East Texas. Are there any locations
here you would consider a hot spot?
Lyle; I’m certainly familiar with this
area, since I live in Dallas-Fort Worth.
I would say that there’s several hot spots within a reasonable driving
distance. First would be the area of
Fouke, Arkansas. This is, of course, the
famed location of The Legend of Boggy Creek, and one that I’ve spent years
researching and writing about. I’ve investigated
many credible sightings in that area, one as recent as January 2014.
Another area would be along the Sulphur
River where it originates in Texas.
Areas near the town of Commerce have a long history of sightings in the
area, and according to a few recent tips, activity is still going on there.
There’s Marion, Harrison, and Panola Counties
in East Texas where there’s been some very interesting sightings in the last
decade. I’ve personally interviewed
several witnesses that claim to have had close encounters in these counties.
Going north, there’s the Ouachita
Mountains which span from eastern Oklahoma to western Arkansas. Based on my research and travels there, I
consider it a prime and likely spot for Southern Sasquatch habitat.
· Do you associate Bigfoot with any paranormal
activity, such as UFOs, teleporting, telekinesis, etc.?,
Lyle; There’s no doubt witnesses who
claim, and fully believe, that the creatures possess some sort of “paranormal
powers” such as the ability to “shimmer,” disappear, or to even communicate
with humans using telepathy, but this, to me, is even harder to swallow than
the notion of an undiscovered ape itself.
I’m not saying that it couldn’t be possible… just like Bigfoot itself, I
can’t disprove it, but I just personally don’t think this is the case based on
my knowledge at this point. A good many
witnesses have also reported seeing creatures fitting the description of
Bigfoot in the vicinity of UFOs, so that’s another branch of the puzzle. While I align with the theory that they’re
flesh and blood animals, I still remain open minded about the mystery until
more solid proof is available.
5) Doc Holiday ;
· what steps are necessary to become a
cryptozoology advisor ?
Lyle; If you mean “cryptozoology advisor”
as in my role at Rue Morgue magazine, I was brought on board at the magazine
since they cover many cryptids in film and I have both a vast knowledge of
cryptozoology and horror film history.
In terms of being a “cryptozoologist” there’s no specific academic
qualifications to that title. I was
reluctant to call myself any such thing at first, but after awhile it was
something I was already being referred to as, and it certainly helps when
classifying my research and books.
Personally, I consider myself something of an investigative journalist
meets cryptid researcher, as I think my books reflect.
· given the popularity of BF in TV
that comes and goes , which has been a more lucrative
pursuit over the long term , BF or the paranormal / horror topics?
Lyle; For me, they’ve both been about
equal, although “lucrative” might not be the most accurate term. My work at the horror magazine Rue Morgue has
helped me make a living with writing and it’s been a fun way to combine my
knowledge of cryptozoology and horror pop-culture. But the subject of Bigfoot itself, in terms
of the search for an actual creature, has been more rewarding since I’m
passionate about that subject and my books seem to be popular. I don’t make much money per se, but the great
reviews and feedback I get from readers is rewarding unto itself. So I don’t look at either “horror” or “Bigfoot”
as one being more lucrative or trendy than the other, I just try to do what I
enjoy in life and hopefully scratch up enough of a living to support my family
along the way.
6) People Booger;
· Who, or what group of
researchers/enthusiasts/hunters do you feel has/have the best chance of
finding/collecting/acquiring definitive proof of the species, if you believe it
will be done at all?
Lyle; If we compare this to the successful
field of archeology, then chances are it will be some unexpected person who
finally brings in the proof. A deer
hunter, wildlife photographer, or field biologist, perhaps. Oftentimes it seems like the person who goes
in search of a specific thing comes up empty-handed. But a person who happens to be in the right
place at the right time will suddenly stumble onto the discovery of a lifetime.
7) Bipedalist;
· What scared you so bad you did not want to visit
that cluster again?
Not sure about the source of this
question. I can’t recall ever being
scared so that I wouldn’t return to a place.
I like the thrill of the outdoors.
· What about eyeglow and Samurai Chatter? What does
it mean? Does it tell you more about Human perceptions or about EBE’s or
Bigfoots?
Lyle;
It’s certainly a good question to ponder as to whether human perception is
involved in either of these reported phenomenon. I’m not convinced that the eyeshine is purely
bioluminescent, but no doubt a Bigfoot’s eyes could reflect a light source just
as other animal’s eyes can. The chatter
that’s been alleged as Bigfoots communicating is extremely interesting. If the sounds are indeed coming from these
creatures, then it would strongly suggest they have some form of language. But without observing a Bigfoot actually speaking,
it’s hard to say for sure.
8)
The Parkie;
Hi Lyle,
· Have you had a clear, unambiguous daylight
sighting of a Bigfoot - if so can you describe your experience please?
I haven’t.
Please refer to the answer in question 2) above.
·
Can you also please describe
the most compelling sighting by another you have come across and why?
Lyle; For me the most compelling sighting is one that a friend of mine had in East Texas back in 1989. In this instance, he had a very close look at the creature, which offered him a good chance to study it. The encounter is fully detailed in my book, The Beast of Boggy Creek, but to summarize he was walking down a dirt road one afternoon near his grandmother’s house when he heard something approaching through the leaves. He stopped, figuring he was about to see a large buck run across the road. But what emerged from the trees was not a deer, it was an ape-like creature approximately seven-to-eight-feet tall with dark, reddish-brown hair and weathered looking skin. At first it was running on all fours, but upon seeing my friend, it stopped and rose up on two legs. He could then see that it was, as he described it, “more human, than ape.” The creature stood there, within 9 yard of him, for about 10 seconds before it turned and ran back into the woods.
Lyle; For me the most compelling sighting is one that a friend of mine had in East Texas back in 1989. In this instance, he had a very close look at the creature, which offered him a good chance to study it. The encounter is fully detailed in my book, The Beast of Boggy Creek, but to summarize he was walking down a dirt road one afternoon near his grandmother’s house when he heard something approaching through the leaves. He stopped, figuring he was about to see a large buck run across the road. But what emerged from the trees was not a deer, it was an ape-like creature approximately seven-to-eight-feet tall with dark, reddish-brown hair and weathered looking skin. At first it was running on all fours, but upon seeing my friend, it stopped and rose up on two legs. He could then see that it was, as he described it, “more human, than ape.” The creature stood there, within 9 yard of him, for about 10 seconds before it turned and ran back into the woods.
It’s a significant encounter to me since I
know they guy personally and I believe him to be telling the truth, and also
because he got such a close look.
9) WVFooter;
· What is the best evidence that you have come
across, which really made you think a particular creature existed?
Lyle; The best evidence I’ve personally
investigated is a footprint cast taken in southern Arkansas near Mercer
Bayou. It’s a large, five-toed track
with a good amount of detail that strongly suggests it was made by a Bigfoot. I also give this piece of evidence a high
credibility rating because of the way it was discovered and subsequently
handled. A local man and his son were
out hog hunting when his son noticed the trackway. When his father looked at the tracks, he knew
they weren’t made by a normal animal.
They didn’t have any sort of casting material with them, but the father
felt it would be a good idea to come back and make a cast. I had heard about this cast from some locals
in the area, but the guy had never sought publicity or showed it to very many
people. I was finally able to track down
the guy and examine it. Because he had
the track in his possession for about six years without ever seeking publicity
that told me he wasn’t trying to pull a hoax.
Plus, he was not out specifically looking for Bigfoot. He is simply a local guy who found something
strange in a place where it would be extremely unlikely that a hoaxer would
plant a trackway. His story was actually
featured on the Fouke Monster episode of Monsters and Mysteries in America which
I also appear on. In this case they did
a great job of recreating his account.
10) See-Te-Cah NC;
· What was the absolute weirdest experience you've
ever had that you attribute to Bigfoot?
Lyle; I was once canoeing with a friend in
a bayou around 2:00 am in the morning when we heard a series of very distinct and
evenly spaced howls. At first it was hard
to tell just what it could be, but as it continued to howl at 45 second
intervals, we concluded that it wasn’t a typical animal. My partner is a former trapper from
Mississippi, so between the two of us, we were confident it wasn’t a coyote,
fox, cougar, bird, etc. After it stopped
howling, we canoed about one mile back to our camp. Upon arriving at the camp, suddenly the
animal howled again three successive times.
In this case it was right across the bayou channel from our camp! Had it followed us??
· Are you armed when you investigate in remote locations?
If so, what do you carry?
Lyle; Yes.
This is not for the purpose of shooting a Bigfoot, of course, but for
protection against other potentially dangerous animals. In the areas we frequent, there are numerous
wild hogs, gators, and even cougars. In
fact, just a few months ago about a dozen wild hogs came within 20 yards of our
camp at night. Luckily they were too busy
fighting amongst themselves to be concerned with us.
I carry either my Smith & Wesson .357
magnum or Colt .45 1911.
11) chelefoot;
Hey Lyle, Way back before my interest in
Bigfoot was sparked, I read a blog you did where you discussed your opinion of
Paranormal Reality TV (which was a great post, BTW.) In fact, it may have been
your blog that lead me to start researching the Bigfoot phenomenon! Thanks! (I think
lol)
· What is your opinion of the Bigfoot reality shows
and do you think they have helped or hindered efforts to obtain the truth about
Bigfoot? (If you even watch them).
Lyle;
In the grand scheme of things,
I don’t think television can significantly hinder the discovery of the truth,
if it is truly out there. In other
words, if the creature is real, then proof will surface one day regardless of
how many of these shows air and what they cover. That being said, I think they can have some
influence on the subject of cryptids. On
one hand, by making the subject of Bigfoot more “socially acceptable” it might
lead a witness or person with good evidence to come forward whereas in the past
he/she would not. But on the other hand,
I’ve noticed that with the proliferation and popularity of these shows,
suddenly everybody is running around saying they saw a Bigfoot. This can muddy the waters of legitimate
research because I have to wade through more witnesses to find the ones that
are genuine. But in the end, the truth
is not about finding the right witness; it’s about finding tangible scientific
evidence. If I’m hiking in the Olympic
Peninsula, for example, and I run across a huge bone that looks like it could
belong to a Bigfoot, I pick it up and have it tested. If it comes back unknown primate, it doesn’t
matter if Finding Bigfoot had one season or ten seasons. The bone is either from an unknown animal
(Bigfoot) or not.
I myself have participated in some of the
shows such as Monsters and Mysteries in America and Finding Bigfoot, which get
their share of criticism, but in all cases I’ve tried to present good quality
commentary and witness referrals which I think add to the subject. I don’t always have much control with
television productions, but I do my best.
But ultimately, I love the subject of
Bigfoot and one reason I’m doing this today is because I used to watch a show
called In Search of… when I was a kid.
The same way that program inspired me to dedicate time, money, and
passion to cryptid research, is the same way something like Finding Bigfoot
will inspire a new generation and that can’t be all bad.
· Have you ever had an experience where you
felt you could have been in danger?
Lyle; A fellow researcher and I were canoeing very late at night in a
swamp when a huge gator came up and rolled over right next to our canoe. The canoe was 14 feet long, and it appeared
the gator was around the same length.
I’ve been around gators plenty and I don’t spook easily, but that’s one
time I pulled in my elbows and paddled the other direction!
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Thanks to everyone for the great questions and to Keith for compiling
them. If you want to find out more about
me or my books, check out my site at www.lyleblackburn.com. I often speak at events around the country,
so check my site for dates and places.
If you can make it out, it would be great to meet in person and discuss
more Bigfoot!
Also, if you want to know more about my work on the Fouke Monster /
Legend of Boggy Creek case, please visit my Fouke Monster site at www.foukemonster.net
- Lyle